http://www.pe.com/local-news/san-bernardino-county/san-bernardino-county-headlines-index/20111215-adelanto-mom-hurt-fetus-dead-after-domestic-fight.ece
From the comment section of Press Enterprise article at link above
“Rvr Side
3:09 PM on 12/15/2011
Strange, but when some poor sucker is assaulted and killed by the police then that person is a criminal and the cops are justified because they are in fear for their life. But god forbid some poor guy is dealing with an out of control woman who is a danger to her fetus and all of a sudden the tables are turned.
It looks like Willie Davis Hines of Adelanto should have put on a badge and strapped on a gun before he decided to try to protect his unborn fetus.”
Not only is this comment insulting to the men and women who have sworn to ‘protect and serve’ the communities they work for (Only a small percentage act in ways that compromise the integrity of the law enforcement profession!), it also illustrates ignorance on the part of what appears to be a member of a growing segment of the population which seeks to correct inequality between the sexes in categories where women have been notoriously granted more privileges. While women focus on obtaining equal standing in wages and career status, their general treatment in criminal court processes and corrections tends to be significantly less severe in comparison to that of men. While it’s easy to say that ensuring equal pay and equal opportunity to gaining access to the highest career positions for women is more important in the long run, the little things, like the court system’s willingness to go easier on a female defendant than they are when the defendant is a man – those little things add up.
This article isn’t about a crime committed by a woman though. It’s about a woman who was attacked by a man (believed to be the father of her baby) and hospitalized, and that same man killed her unborn child in the process. For the commenter to suggest that this attack might have been in defense of the man’s unborn child is absolutely ludicrous – you don’t attack the mother to defend a fetus, and especially you don’t end up killing the unborn child you’re supposedly trying to defend! If the mother is truly a danger to her fetus, that’s when you call law enforcement and whatever local government agencies are assigned to handle cases involving pregnant women who pose a risk to their unborn babies. In the United States, most jurisdictions have policies and practices specified by LAWS written to be employed in circumstances involving children – whether they’ve yet to be born or are in their teens. In California, a person can be charged with first degree murder when the victim is a fetus (the exception being, in cases of abortion, neither the doctor nor the mother are considered to have committed the crime of murder in any degree – first, second, third, or accidental homicide, etc. – as the current law gives women the right of choice and the benefits of seeking the assistance of a doctor for such procedures reduce the potential for significant harm that is inherent in non-regulated sources performed without the involvement of a licensed medical practitioner.) Any man who was truly concerned about the welfare of his unborn child due to the mother’s actions and behaviors wouldn’t attack the woman, and he certainly wouldn’t decide to go on the run – running away, especially knowing that the police are going to want to, at the very least, talk to you about the situation…that’s not a sign of innocence. In fact, making the decision to disappear so law enforcement has to hunt you down just to talk to you about an incident (until they do, how are they going to know if you were really involved? They can’t just say “Yeah, he did it” based on what other people say – they have to follow procedure or there’s no way to make a case stick!) – that sort of behavior only makes a person look guilty.
In my opinion, the commenter is someone who is not just ignorant, but feels like they’ve been unfairly treated by the police (or, if preferred, ‘knows someone who’s been unfairly treated by law enforcement’). The type of ignorance displayed in the comment they made doesn’t help anyone – it’s not going to help any cause, enlighten others, and it’s most certainly lacking in valid arguments.
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The Ignorance of a Commenter – ADELANTO: Mom hurt, fetus dead after domestic fight (The Anti reads and ponders the news)
http://www.pe.com/local-news/san-bernardino-county/san-bernardino-county-headlines-index/20111215-adelanto-mom-hurt-fetus-dead-after-domestic-fight.ece
From the comment section of Press Enterprise article at link above
“Rvr Side
3:09 PM on 12/15/2011
Strange, but when some poor sucker is assaulted and killed by the police then that person is a criminal and the cops are justified because they are in fear for their life. But god forbid some poor guy is dealing with an out of control woman who is a danger to her fetus and all of a sudden the tables are turned.
It looks like Willie Davis Hines of Adelanto should have put on a badge and strapped on a gun before he decided to try to protect his unborn fetus.”
Not only is this comment insulting to the men and women who have sworn to ‘protect and serve’ the communities they work for (Only a small percentage act in ways that compromise the integrity of the law enforcement profession!), it also illustrates ignorance on the part of what appears to be a member of a growing segment of the population which seeks to correct inequality between the sexes in categories where women have been notoriously granted more privileges. While women focus on obtaining equal standing in wages and career status, their general treatment in criminal court processes and corrections tends to be significantly less severe in comparison to that of men. While it’s easy to say that ensuring equal pay and equal opportunity to gaining access to the highest career positions for women is more important in the long run, the little things, like the court system’s willingness to go easier on a female defendant than they are when the defendant is a man – those little things add up.
This article isn’t about a crime committed by a woman though. It’s about a woman who was attacked by a man (believed to be the father of her baby) and hospitalized, and that same man killed her unborn child in the process. For the commenter to suggest that this attack might have been in defense of the man’s unborn child is absolutely ludicrous – you don’t attack the mother to defend a fetus, and especially you don’t end up killing the unborn child you’re supposedly trying to defend! If the mother is truly a danger to her fetus, that’s when you call law enforcement and whatever local government agencies are assigned to handle cases involving pregnant women who pose a risk to their unborn babies. In the United States, most jurisdictions have policies and practices specified by LAWS written to be employed in circumstances involving children – whether they’ve yet to be born or are in their teens. In California, a person can be charged with first degree murder when the victim is a fetus (the exception being, in cases of abortion, neither the doctor nor the mother are considered to have committed the crime of murder in any degree – first, second, third, or accidental homicide, etc. – as the current law gives women the right of choice and the benefits of seeking the assistance of a doctor for such procedures reduce the potential for significant harm that is inherent in non-regulated sources performed without the involvement of a licensed medical practitioner.) Any man who was truly concerned about the welfare of his unborn child due to the mother’s actions and behaviors wouldn’t attack the woman, and he certainly wouldn’t decide to go on the run – running away, especially knowing that the police are going to want to, at the very least, talk to you about the situation…that’s not a sign of innocence. In fact, making the decision to disappear so law enforcement has to hunt you down just to talk to you about an incident (until they do, how are they going to know if you were really involved? They can’t just say “Yeah, he did it” based on what other people say – they have to follow procedure or there’s no way to make a case stick!) – that sort of behavior only makes a person look guilty.
In my opinion, the commenter is someone who is not just ignorant, but feels like they’ve been unfairly treated by the police (or, if preferred, ‘knows someone who’s been unfairly treated by law enforcement’). The type of ignorance displayed in the comment they made doesn’t help anyone – it’s not going to help any cause, enlighten others, and it’s most certainly lacking in valid arguments.
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